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Richard Spaven Interview

Nate Smith September 6, 2023

Last week I sat down with one of my drum heroes, on Mr. Richard Spaven, for the inaugural episode of the 8020 Drummer Podcast.

(Well, the inaugural episode of the “comeback”. There are some old episodes from 2015.)

Because you’re on my list, I’m giving you access to the interview a day before I publish it on YouTube.

Richard and I discuss…

The origins of several of his songs, and his songwriting process in general

The ephemeral nature of flow-states, and how to achieve them (hint: there’s no magic bullet)

“Kids these days”, and whether social media has been a net benefit or a net harm for drumming

The importance of studying jazz, and why we both like “full takes”

and more…

If you haven’t yet seen the video of me submitting to Richard’s critique playing one of his most famous songs, check that out below.

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5 Hacks to Play Up Tempo Jazz Drums (Even if You're Not Tony Williams)

Nate Smith August 25, 2023

First things first - download your free transcription here.

Many of us get our start playing jazz in school band, at pick-up gigs or jam sessions, or even in community theater. That’s great, because you can experience playing a big range of styles and eras. It’s not-so-great because the specialty techniques necessary to play jazz drums can take a decade or more to develop.

Among other things, I’m speaking about the fast ride cymbal beat.

Which leads to an experience I’m sure is familiar to anyone just cutting their teeth playing jazz drums: you’re a year or two in, and somebody hands you a chart with up-tempo swing.

Or calls Cherokee or My Shining Hour at a jam session.

Easy enough for a horn player - they can pull the horn out of their mouth and take a couple of bars off even now and then.

Or even the bassist. They can play quarters.

But you, behind the drums, are supposed to make your ride cymbal sing like Tony Williams or Philly Joe.

(New rule: if you call anything over 250 bpm you need to explain the mechanics of the ride cymbal?)

In reality, though, what are you supposed to do?

If you’re anything like I was, you default to playing kind of a polka, with quarters on the ride, 2 and 4 on the hats, and not much else.

The eventual way out of this conundrum, of course, is learning to play the ride cymbal on the “spangalang”, and getting your time perception fine enough that you can “comp” without disrupting things.

But in the (many) intervening years, you still need something to do in these situations, right?

That’s why, today, I’m sharing 5 hacks to play better up-tempo jazz beats without the hands of a Tony Williams or an Art Taylor.

(Well, four of them.)

From borrowing “up tempo beats” from the likes of Clarence Penn and Brian Blade, to “counting it in” like Tony or Max, these tips will help you fake it till you make it.

(Then we’ll delve briefly into some things you can practice on the ride cymbal in the interim.)

Enjoy this one!

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A brief history of chops through the lens of this Thomas Pridgen thing...

Nate Smith August 18, 2023

First things first - download your free transcription here.

There's this "thing" I've noticed I'm doing a lot when I do fills or..."chops"...

It hadn't been conscious. It just came out.

And for some reason, I've been doing it on the hats a lot.

I do it so much, it's kind of become "my thing". So this week, I set out to explain it. And explaining it required some context. And context, as is so often the case, required Thomas Pridgen.

All of which sent me back in time to trace the lineage of my learning to "chop"...

2013/2014, I start listening to Thomas, and Nick Smith, and many of the other "choppers" who were "chopping it up" on these new platforms called YouTube and Instagram.

Flash forward a bit, and I believe I'd successfully deconstructed a couple of component parts (which I show you in the video)...

...and a general approach, from Thomas, which I call "throw it on there."

(I show a shed with Thomas and Tony Royster to illustrate what makes that approach unique.)

Flash forward still more, and I'm "throwing it on there" while attempting to do drum fills. Then something happens.

Everybody starts incorporating the dry hats as a sound.

So what happens if I...

And then the licc evolved.

I'll show you the exact licc, and ways to orchestrate it and put it in different rhythmic contexts.

Watch the video to find out more.

Enjoy!

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Could You Sub for Mark Guiliana?

Nate Smith August 13, 2023

You know him, you love him.

When I first started making videos about Mark Guiliana, he was fast becoming the “drummer’s drummer”, known to practically all “insiders”.

Fast-forward 8 years, and he’s now “drum royalty”. On Bowie’s last album. Doing clinic tours with Weckl and Simon Phillips. And you can definitely use his last initial instead of spelling out his whole last name.

But what if you had to sub for Mark?

What if he took 3 months off his tour circuit to work on a conceptual art installation (something I mention in the video isn’t even that far-fetched), and needed somebody to hop in on his busy tour schedule, and the call came to YOU?

Today, as ever, I play your “proxy” jumping into that hypothetical challenge.

And unlike some of my other “could you do the gig” videos, we’re considering 3 different bands across Mark’s career.

  1. Jazz bassist Avishai Cohen, with whom Mark played in the early and mid-2000s

  2. Now vs Now, which…cmon, do I need to say more?

  3. And Beat Music, Mark’s most prominent non-Bowie/post-Now-vs-Now project

As usual I’ll be learning 3 songs - one from each of the above groups…

…and facing some anticipated challenges, and some unanticipated ones.

Will I be up to the challenge? You’ll have to judge for yourself.

Could YOU sub for Mark?

Leave a comment below.

See you in the next one!

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