[Next question] If you're doing a clinic at a University in Europe or you're back home in Denver teaching lessons and you run across players who are young, who are still developing but they've got that thing. Like, "that dude's going to have some stuff together if he keeps playing." What is that to you?
Colin: That's a great question! I think it really starts with a strong beat, regardless of what sort of style of music it is. Good time and a good beat. An understanding of forward motion, being able to let something ring and go by but still have time within space. I mean, that's something that I really strive and try to teach and strive in my own playing. Understanding that silence is also part of the beat and also not being afraid of it. Having a forward momentum I always use this analogy of; You're driving in a car and you turn the engine on. The engine is always there and it's on, hopefully! You're driving your car. It's not something you have to think about. You can shift the gears, you can turn and stop but the engine is what makes it work. It's like the heartbeat. People talk about the heart. I always give the analogy of saying you're in a car and trying to drive but the engine's not on. It's just not going to work. The engine represents the music and the movement and understanding that even if you're playing any style, there has to be movement and beat and groove in what you play. When I see that in younger players, it makes me very happy and I encourage them to trust that. Trust what they're doing is ok and strive to work as hard as you can but always remember momentum, forward motion and beat. Adapt and get that message across.
Nate: Is there anything you sometimes see younger players doing consistently that you feel like is a stumbling block?
Colin: Yeah, absolutely. I like analogies and I suppose somebody told me this earlier on. It's something I talk about. It's like, if you were to walk into a book store and you look at a shelf of books, each book represents a musical idea. A lot of the time, what I find is young drummers and drummers in general, we tend to go up to the book shelf and take them all at once and open them all up and read them at the same time. To me, that represents Chops, an idea and a concept. I try to talk about, it can be a whole gig. You just pick up that one book and one idea and let that be what it is for that time. Whether it's a solo or a gig or a tune, just really think about that. Try to have a conception. And even when I was playing earlier, trying to find what idea and really try to develop. That's really what I hear and I try to reiterate in my teaching and remind myself almost every day.
Nate: What I get from your playing, especially just now is that you've got a really strong thematic unity, which I think is fantastic. I think probably a lot of young players and when they think about what success would look like, like "oh I'm going to get called to tour with Mark Turner, or I'm going to move to New York and [blow up]"... My question is, was there anything that jumped out at you as far as being different about it from your expectations?
Colin: That's a great question. I guess the consistency and understanding that. You know, I had really strong goals that I wanted and I really strived for. One of them being was that I wanted to play with Kurt Rosenwinkel since the age of ten. Not being specific but for me it's consistency. It's great to have gigs and it's great to be on the road but there are times when that's not going to be the case. It's a struggle to understand that we're not always busy and we have to find creative ways to keep busy and keep living and surviving. I guess, in the beginning I figured "Oh! Once that happens, everything's going to be great." But it's not always the case and its' not always a negative thing but it's something I've really learned about and keep learning about. You're just there. You have to keep striving and working no matter what comes back at you. Great moments are there. Even in those moments where you don't think anything's happening, there is something to work on and something to do. In that respect, I think it really expanded and changed my mind and spirit. There's never that one moment. There are moments where you say "Yeah! I did it!" but there's a lot of moments where I'm saying "Well, now I'm going to do this" and I have to figure out what "this" is.
Nate: Yea. No I was thinking about that too, both in terms of...sort of...stoicism and also Buddhism, and how they kind of converge on the idea that you're going to have highs and lows, and the idea is you kind of want to moderate it. Yea, you let yourself feel good and you let yourself feel bad but it's not really about, when you're at the peak you can just press pause there. The timeline continues.
Do you do any sort of meditation or mindfulness practice or anything? Just out of curiosity...
Colin: Yeah, I practice Buddhism. I chant. It's a sect of Buddhism from Japan - Soka Gakkai - and It's something that's really helped me. A lot of musicians do it, Herbie Hancock, Wayne Shorter. A lot of people that I've been around. And it really helps me center myself and understand that I can't really seek that happiness or anything else other than from within me. That's what helps me balance and understand and trust that what I'm doing is great. I can only just bring out the best of what I do inside of myself. Look at everything else as an opportunity and learn from from everyone around me. Whether it's music that interests me or not, there's always something in there that you can take away from that benefit your life and your music.
Nate: Well, thanks so much for talking with me.
Colin: Thank you for having me.