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Why All Kick Drum Advice Seems Contradictory

Nate Smith April 23, 2025

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I’m fascinated by ecosystems where, depending on who you talk to, you get completely different advice.

This was the case in nutrition for an age. The paleo/carnivore/keto people never seemed to be talking to the “calorie balance” people. Depending on which podcasts you listened to it was possible to get an almost completely opposite impression.

You might expect to see that in “squishy” areas like nutrition, where effect are hard to tease apart from confounders, and most of the studies are of self-reports of people in real life, because nobody’s going to “squid game” two cohorts in a lab for 30 years to observe things in a controlled setting.

But in drums, where the feedback is immediate and palpable, I couldn’t figure out how such contradictory approaches developed.

The slide.

The heel-toe.

Heel up. Heel down.

And each with its adherents shouting from the rooftops about its superiority.

So why hasn’t anybody reconciled all these seemingly-totally-contradictory techniques?

Part of it is something I discuss in the video - the difficulty for one person to feel what it feels like to be another. So we have to communicate using sh#tty proxies, like visuals, and words.

But part of it is also that the cadre of players who have done a lot of the experimentation haven’t quite made their way to the mainstream yet. (But, if yesterday’s live podcast guest is any indication, they soon will.)

In any case, I’ll throw my hat in the ring in an attempt to decode the “contradictions”.

See if you like the results.

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Nathan Shingler - Alfa Mist, The Love Cave, and The World as His Oyster

Nate Smith April 19, 2025

A few weeks ago I did a video on caves.

The idea was that practically every great artist has a period where they go into the workshop, strip things down to the studs, go super deep on one or two things, and then reassemble themselves as a "2.0" version.

I mentioned that my own motivations are very often anger and jealousy, that I'm completely self-aware and at-peace with that, and that I use it to fuel me. I gave examples of other players who I considered "rage cavers". (Thomas Pridgen features largely.)

But I also mentioned there's another type of cave. One in which pure creativity is the primary fuel. In which the enjoyment of creating and high intrinsic standards drive you.

(One imagines the origin of NASA and the first moon mission as a rage cave, with the soviets as the haters, and the birth of Apple as a love cave.)

Anyway, it's hard to think of a better avatar for the love cave than today's podcast guest, Nathan Shingler.

Nathan won the best UK drummer award a few years back, and started playing with artists like Alfa Mist. Now he's touring with Alfa, and has his pick of the "who's who" in the small/exclusive UK music scene with who to create. And create he is.

Nathan describes getting into producing and drum and bass, as well as following his creative whims with writing and recording.

None of which stopped me picking Nathan's brain about how it feels to be him, what he practices/practiced to reach his current level...

...and bog-standard human psychological stuff like shedding the need to impress others and flow states.

If you could use an inspirational "pick me up", I know you'll love Nathan.

But wait there's more:

I very rarely do clinics in the New York area, but May 3rd is the exception; especially if you consider New Paltz in the "area".

What it is is a short drive from the city, and gorgeous this time of year.

And my former student Sal, whom you may recognize as one of the admissions reps for my coaching programs, is arranging the whole thing.

Details here. You also save $5 by booking tickets in advance.

If you're nearby New York and want to meet me in person, this is your best and most affordable opportunity.

Enjoy!

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What I Learned From The Primus Drum Auditions

Nate Smith April 9, 2025

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The Primus auditions were a niche-international-sensation. Thousands of audition videos from all over the universe were all over social media, featuring at least 3 podcast guests and some of my favorite drummers throwing their hats in the ring for this beloved band.

Over the past few months, the band itself has released edited versions of all the finalists’ auditions, including that of (spoiler alert) eventually “winner” John Hoffman. And podcast guests Thomas Pridgen and Stan Bicknell also did amazing jobs!

The subject of today’s video is primarily what I learned from Thomas’ audition, and in particular from a seemlingly-offhanded comment Les Claypool and Ler LaLonde made about it. Yes, I’m going to tease you, and to find out, you’ll have to watch the video! Sorry!

But I will go into what that comment inspired. Because it turns out it’s a concept I’d been toying with ever since my latest Meinl video came out.

And it has to do with something very fundamental to humans: what makes us Dance.

How do you play an accent pattern on the drums that, in principle at least, sounds more “danceable” than some others. It’s not as easy as it seems, because you’re dealing with improvisation. So it’s a little like “how do you remember this thing in a dream”.

Luckily, I’ve been workshopping this all winter. In the Cave.

And in this video, I’ll also “unveil” some of the latest “8020 sh@#” that’s been working for me and my students.

It all started with something Les said in the Primus auditions. If you’re curious how it all fits together, I invite you to take the ride.

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Nate Smith April 4, 2025

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