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Why I Charge a Lot of Money for Coaching (And You Should Too)

Nate Smith July 22, 2022

Today’s video is partly tongue-in-cheek and partly dead serious.

Because whenever I encounter stigma for something, my reaction is to drag it out into the light of day. Either we should be doing it, in which case let’s shine some light on the stigma itself - let’s unpack the arguments against it and see if it really makes sense - or let’s stop doing it immediately.

It’s with such an eye that today I take a detached view of the very coaching program I’m co-running with Jacob Evans, and its low-four-figure price tag. That’s a non-trivial amount of money.

And I’ve gotten some pushback on some of the ads I’ve been running.

At the risk of “feeding the trolls”, I decided to address the subject once-and-for all, so I can go back to ignoring any such feedback. The reason I decided it needed the spotlight, though, was that the same week as I caught criticism for charging money in any form for my own teaching…

…I was also receiving comments about how tough it is to be a music teacher, how music teachers need to be paid more, how we need more affordable housing in urban areas because it’s pushing out the musicians and music teachers, etc.

All stuff I agree with.

But you know one way to get paid more as a music teacher? Charge more.

Which leads us to good and bad reasons to charge a lot of money for your services. Should you charge $100 for a bottle of water? Probably not, but people simply won’t buy, because they have a lot of other options, and bottled water is a commodity.

Should you charge $20,000 for an airplane seat? Sure, it’s “rich people wasting their money cringe gold”, but I think most people would agree there are enough affordable options around to get from A to B (and the credit card miles game for those who want to nerd out and play it) that “go nuts”.

But there are legitimately skeezy ways of earning money, like pyramid schemes, false promises, and profiteering. What are those? Are music teachers in danger of running afoul of any of them?

Finally, if there are no ethical hurdles to charging premium prices for music instruction under the right conditions, where does the actual stigma come from? Let’s break down the best arguments against charging a lot of money - nay, charging at all - for music coaching - and see if they hold water.

That’s all in the video.

P.S. Finally, to go completely meta, if you’d like a look inside the rather-expensive coaching program that all the fuss is about, our open enrollment is for the upcoming quarter is open for a few more days. (We’ll probably close it Monday night.) Is it for everybody? No. I’ve got free materials, and cheaper “self-directed” courses I think are great. But if you’d like a peak at what intensive, live group coaching with personal feedback can be like, you can learn more below, and book a free, no-commitment consult call to learn more about the program and get an audit of everything you’re doing in the shed, so that even if you don’t end up signing up, you’ll still get value. Check it out below.

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Should You Learn Jazz Drums Even If You Don't Play Jazz?

Nate Smith July 15, 2022

Say you play metal. Or classic rock. Or "Zildjian Underground" style backbeats.

Should you learn jazz?

Well, it's a little difficult for me to say, since I've never *not* studied jazz, but I've found it valuable cross-training for my regular playing.

Here's where it occurred to me:

Sometimes, when I'm hitting a creative wall with my non-jazz playing, I'll take a couple of days to play just brushes, or practice jazz idioms with lighter sticks, focussing on the ride cymbal...

...and quite often I find it breaks down creative barriers, and I can then transpose the insights back to my regular playing.

But that's not all I talk about in the video.

Expect to discover:

  • The top 3 skills I've stolen from jazz and applied to my regular playing

  • My favorite "non-jazz" drummers who have studied jazz

  • A cool exercise I invented to get you started if you're new to jazz

  • and more

P.S. As you may know, it's the third-ever open-enrollment for the coaching program I coach jointly with the intrepid Jacob Evans, 8020/Drumflow coaching.

I've been leading group coaching groups since April, and it's been stunning to see the results people have gotten, both in their mechanics and their confidence.

Also, we're going to be raising the price at the end of this open enrollment. This will be the last time you can get the introductory price. More info, and save your slot for your FREE consult call, below.

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The 5 Nate Smith Beats Every Drummer Should Know

Nate Smith July 8, 2022

Grab your transcription here.

It was time to circle back to Nate. It’s been since 2017.

And while I get a lot of comments to the tune of “why bother knowing ANYBODY’s beats? Why not just make up your own?” - encouraging me to explore the difference between having influences and copying others wholecloth - I’m going to assume most everybody reading this understands why we study the greats.

And Nate’s had a great step-wise career. When he was playing with Dave Holland, jazz nerds everywhere rejoiced.

When he joined Chris Potter’s Underground, we were like “yaaaaaay next chapter!”

But who anticipated the rocketship to mainstream stardom Vulfpeck and Fearless Flyers would launch? That’s why Nate now has a gaggle of new fans who only know him from the new stuff.

Well, allow me to be your tourguide through the multiple stages of Nate’s career. I’ll show you what I think are 5 essential Nate beats, as well as how to play them.

And if you’re the type of drummer who sees Nate play a flawless solos and thinks “I wish I could do that” - but instead feel like you’re tripping over yourself most days when you go for a fill or solo, you might be interested in 8020/Drumflow Coaching, an intensive 12-week live coaching cohort I’m running with my partner in crime, Jacob Evans. It’s open again for the first time since April, and if you’re one of the first 50 people to sign up, you’ll get a bonus 1:1 with me. (I never do those anymore.)

We made a video, with much more info.

Check it out here
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Is Everything You've Heard About Hand Technique a Lie?

Nate Smith July 1, 2022

I'm used to thinking...

Chris Dave, with his index fingers extended along the sticks...

...J-Rod Sullivan, with his "perfect" thumb and forefinger fulcrum...

...Nate Wood, with his more middle-of-the-hand grip...

...and Tony Williams - well, don't get me started.

So...is there a right or a wrong way to hold the sticks?

But I had a place to start: what if I held them intentionally wrong, then worked backward from there.

In this video, you'll learn:

  • All the seemingly contradictory ways I learned

  • How not to hold the sticks, and what we can learn from that

  • The new first-principles, and why I ultimately think Jacob's right

  • and more

enjoy!

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